tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post6075147797395762588..comments2023-12-31T05:01:58.031-06:00Comments on Young Stranger: Truth, Lord, Yet the Dogs Eat of the Crumbs...John Gustav-Wrathallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03557940681381951271noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-75820382945938160812020-04-14T20:15:38.265-05:002020-04-14T20:15:38.265-05:00
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But the overwhelming...This is an interesting read. But the overwhelming truth about this situation can be read more plainly. Church leaders, acting in the name of God, are promoting the idea that gay people and their children are not equal or worthy, to be whole within the church or community.<br /><br />The practical effect of their promotion of this policy is to do harm gay people and their children for being who they are. No other way around it.<br /><br />My words are not the sentiments of Satan, but simply reflect the sensibilities of American law, justice and morality.<br /><br />While you may feel nothing but sincerity in your relationships with the Apostles and their motivations, the practical effect of their policy, and their active promotion of it, is incredibly harmful to gay people and their families.<br /><br />Joseph Smith was a progressive young man. Today's Church is led by very conservative old men. Their views on gay people appear to be less a reflection of God's will than the culture and world view they know best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-22497484400776546812015-12-22T14:53:09.862-06:002015-12-22T14:53:09.862-06:00MoHoHawaii, let's start out with some clarific...MoHoHawaii, let's start out with some clarification. Zions Bank is a publicly held company. You can buy stock in it. There's no way the church is trying to keep Zion's bank from having to give benefits to it's gay worker's families, because it's not a closely held company. <br /><br />I don't see the kind of vendetta against gays that you seem to perceive among the church leaders. The church generally keeps its for-profit businesses in alignment with standard practices, and I suspect that includes benefits for family members of gay employees. The not-for-profit enterprises are a different matter, of course, but I doubt that it played a role in the policy change.Who Me?https://www.blogger.com/profile/06249350099327092945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-65411882388850479952015-11-29T19:52:41.682-06:002015-11-29T19:52:41.682-06:00Unfortunately, the real reason for this policy is ...Unfortunately, the real reason for this policy is probably legal. The best read I have of the situation is that the Church is laying the groundwork of a legal strategy to be used by its for-profit businesses against anti-discrimination laws and Obamacare. Under the recent Hobby Lobby ruling by the Supreme Court, "religious freedom" can be asserted by closely-held corporations. In order to bolster a Hobby Lobby-style defense, the Church thinks it needs to lay some groundwork now, such as transforming its rejection of gay marriages to be based on doctrinal rather than moral reasons. In short, Bonneville International and Zions Bank want to deny benefits to legally married gay couples on the basis that such marriages, while fully recognized as legitimate, are contrary to the sincerely held religious beliefs of their owner.<br /><br />To me, the fact that the Church seems perfectly willing to cause harm to itself, its reputation, its members and to the innocent children who will be affected by the policy is horrifying enough. That this is most likely being done to protect its for-profit businesses, instead of for any coherent doctrinal or pastoral reason, is beyond horrifying.MoHoHawaiihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15086670779804942122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-14071509024158563342015-11-18T08:29:24.244-06:002015-11-18T08:29:24.244-06:00Thanks for this John. Very thoughtful. I always ap...Thanks for this John. Very thoughtful. I always appreciate your insights.austinroryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00882187203279835606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-63727544916605314442015-11-17T00:42:08.466-06:002015-11-17T00:42:08.466-06:00I really appreciate reading of the depth and humil...I really appreciate reading of the depth and humility and testimony in your thoughts. Thank you for sharing them. This was great food for thought.lieselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15497043720940670407noreply@blogger.com