tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post3242965610582652941..comments2023-12-31T05:01:58.031-06:00Comments on Young Stranger: First Things FirstJohn Gustav-Wrathallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03557940681381951271noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-73281420630201201472012-06-04T13:05:45.793-05:002012-06-04T13:05:45.793-05:00To clarify, I'm sure a lot of those in the SLC...To clarify, I'm sure a lot of those in the SLC contingency DO support same-sex marriage, but my point is, they had no explicit message different from the official positions of their Church. Their presence could and has been "spun." This won't be the case for the later contingencies.alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705068701218002977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-51460818035593037372012-06-04T12:27:22.612-05:002012-06-04T12:27:22.612-05:00Yes but John, if you'll notice, Deseret News f...Yes but John, if you'll notice, Deseret News folds those Mormons into the mantra of "The Divine Institution of Marriage" and "Love Your Neighbor." The SLC contingency did not actively support marriage equality. It's quite possible that a number of Mormons in the SLC contingency don't support same-marriage. The message of "love" is the same message the Church proffers in the phrase "love the sinner, not the sin." Yes, the Utah LGBT community was welcoming, but...<br /><br />I'm looking forward to the Mormon contingencies later this month that will specifically be marching for marriage equality. I'm curious how Deseret News will cover them, if at all.alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705068701218002977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-18007180120192651112012-06-04T06:49:44.956-05:002012-06-04T06:49:44.956-05:00Coverage in Church-owned Deseret News -- if that&#...Coverage in Church-owned <i>Deseret News</i> -- if that's a sign of anything -- was quite positive.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865556863/300-plus-LDS-Church-members-march-in-Pride-parade.html?pg=1" rel="nofollow">See for yourself.</a><br /><br />As for the "theology" used by the marchers... (at least as quoted in this D.N. article) It's... Love. Not much more complicated than that.John Gustav-Wrathallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03557940681381951271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-58315987699359074702012-06-04T05:20:26.659-05:002012-06-04T05:20:26.659-05:00Andrew, I think the contingencies of Mormons march...Andrew, I think the contingencies of Mormons marching for marriage equality this year in various Pride parades is definitely a sign of change. I'm not sure what theology these Mormons use to get to their positions of support. Perhaps as John notes, the theological part is not the most important anyhow.<br /><br />If we're lucky, these Mormons will create a fervor big enough that the Church will have to acknowledge the debate within itself -- or else it would paint them as lost sheep. Most likely, it'll say nothing. We'll see if anything happens. My hope is that the media forces the Church's hand, lol.alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705068701218002977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-34324194319803143572012-05-30T12:43:28.176-05:002012-05-30T12:43:28.176-05:00Petrey's piece was good. It was the best I'...Petrey's piece was good. It was the best I've seen of this nature.John Gustav-Wrathallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03557940681381951271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-53695222103935945752012-05-29T22:19:29.538-05:002012-05-29T22:19:29.538-05:00I was liking the speculative theology (especially ...I was liking the speculative theology (especially Petrey's, as Alan points out). It had me in a nice place for a little bit. Even a hopeful place.<br /><br />But it didn't last.<br /><br />I don't think an LDS church will help.Andrew Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11149921396698798441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-79583437212365908352012-05-29T07:10:36.600-05:002012-05-29T07:10:36.600-05:00We need to go to church.We need to go to church.John Gustav-Wrathallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03557940681381951271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-53897577963559741792012-05-28T22:21:03.440-05:002012-05-28T22:21:03.440-05:00When I wrote my Dialogue essay, I knew full well t...When I wrote my Dialogue essay, I knew full well that it was not my place as a Mormon-watcher to engage in speculative Mormon theology. The most I did was suggest that the next generation of Mormons will continue to have to grapple with queer kinship, as their notion of "family," theologically-speaking, doesn't match up to the diversity of American families.<br /><br />Taylor Petrey's article does, however, speculate on how Mormon theology might indeed have room for queer kinship. As a Mormon, he's engaging in what you say: "human efforts to clear away the debris of false reasoning, to better enable us to appreciate and receive God's revelation of himself." And I believe his interest is for the Mormon community.<br /><br />I guess it's not clear to me where your saying the "lack" is. These days, I would say there are plenty of spiritual LGBTs, but the Mormon Church is not a place where they look to worship because the theology still considers homosexuality a "abominable sin." I mean, I can understand why armchair theology could be a problem, but how can speculative theology to bridge the divide be anything but a good sign?alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15705068701218002977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-4480474301695254202012-05-26T13:57:55.214-05:002012-05-26T13:57:55.214-05:00Your post is so true, I think the reason many LGBT...Your post is so true, I think the reason many LGBT people lack spirituality is because their spiritual peers have told them that their homosexual feelings are wrong, and they find that not to be true they throw out their spirituality as well.Throwing the baby out with the bathwater so to speak.gaymormonboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14674829646607588314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-91144536498246577722012-05-25T11:08:28.985-05:002012-05-25T11:08:28.985-05:00Max - true enough to a point. However, I think th...Max - true enough to a point. However, I think there's a point where in order to grow spiritually, we need to be part of a spiritual community. In my experience, the most important things I have learned spiritually, I have learned through covenant and community.John Gustav-Wrathallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03557940681381951271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-35747660655544372272012-05-25T10:36:17.712-05:002012-05-25T10:36:17.712-05:00I'd like to add - one doesn't need to belo...I'd like to add - one doesn't need to belong to a specific religion in order to be spiritual.Maxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13107629629649695722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018387523779914474.post-6292179350797843652012-05-25T09:29:09.877-05:002012-05-25T09:29:09.877-05:00I could not agree any more. Exactly.I could not agree any more. Exactly.Duckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02551782459346523291noreply@blogger.com